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Elizabeth Warren Says She'd Accept Biden's VP Nomination

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Posted on Thu Apr 16, 2020 at 06:43:41 AM EST
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On Rachel Maddow's show, Rachel Maddow asked Elizabeth Warren “If [Biden] asked you to be his runnng mate, would you say yes?”
Warren's one word answer: "Yes.”

Elizabeth is so much more ready for the job than someone like Stacy Abrams. I would not want Stacy Abrams as President if something happened to Biden after he was sworn in. There are three strong women Senators who ran against Biden. I think any one of them would be better than Biden, which means I would support any of the three over VP. Stacy Abrams, a former state legislator. It's not her time yet and I'd wouldn't feel safe. falling asleep at night knowing she was in control. Once she gets some sea legs, I might change my mind, but not this year.

Biden already has the Black vote. It's time for him to choose another segment of society: Not sure who that would be though..

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    Elizabeth Warren Says She'd Accept Biden's VP Nomination | 59 comments (59 topical)

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    Rachel Bitecofer (5.00 / 2) (#27)
    by smott on Sat Apr 18, 2020 at 02:26:14 PM EST
    Nailed 2018 races more accurately than anyone, and her theory is that we are in a period of extreme negative polarization, and enthusiasm/turnout  of the base is more important than chasing a small Nbr of swing voters.
    To shore up the Dem coalition at the moment, the missing piece is younger/Millennial progressives. And of course POC cannot be ignored. A progressive POC makes most sense in this model for VP.That is not Amy, or Gretchen, and (importantly) wasn't Tim Kaine in 2016.

    Abrams or Harris, but I suppose Harris has the inside track as she's been seen in a presidential primary.

    IMO POC are more important than an olive branch to the Bernie left, but that's just me.

    My question (none / 0) (#29)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Apr 18, 2020 at 07:27:41 PM EST
    is what is the base? 2018 was won in the suburbs. Was that "swing voters" or "base voters"?

    I'm sure they are thinking about everything when it comes to the VP selection. I also have heard that Hispanic women are being considered. Abrams does nothing for the ticket that I can see. Harris would be a better pick just in my opinion due the fact that she's actually won statewide and held higher office.

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    Well, yes (5.00 / 1) (#30)
    by smott on Sun Apr 19, 2020 at 10:33:56 AM EST
    That is the question, and it's where Bitecofer is in opposition to the Dem strategy of trying to sway the middle.
    In 2018, it wasn't Republican swings, it was less-likely Dem voters c9ming out in droves that powered the Blue Wave.
    That's largely younger Progressives and a more liberal, less centrist faction.

    And even with that, Republican turnout as a % of reg voters was HIGHER than Dem. But there's a lot more Dems, if we can get them off the couch. Kaine didn't, and the theory is Amy won't either.

    Progressive female POC is the theory.

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    I'm not sure (5.00 / 1) (#32)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Apr 19, 2020 at 02:37:48 PM EST
    VP is going to matter all that much. I've heard a lot of POC say they don't want a POC woman on the ticket to be used as GOTV mule.

    In the end it is about getting rid of Trump and the election is a referendum on Trump. The most important thing I think is to have a VP who could take over the job from Biden considering his age.

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    Yeah being seen as capable (none / 0) (#33)
    by smott on Sun Apr 19, 2020 at 05:45:42 PM EST
    Is paramount

    I think Kamala could do that. But I really think the VP has to be  More progressive/less centrist....

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    I'd recommend (none / 0) (#31)
    by smott on Sun Apr 19, 2020 at 10:38:14 AM EST
    Reading her Niskanen center org article from March 24, interesting breakdown.

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    New Biden ad (5.00 / 1) (#28)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Apr 18, 2020 at 04:58:41 PM EST
    Unprepared

    Not bad

    The ad (none / 0) (#34)
    by christinep on Mon Apr 20, 2020 at 02:42:40 PM EST
    Actually, quite good ... because it hits hard by showing and listing and hearing Trump's own words as well as clear documentary headlines.  On top of the direct strength of the ad, it puts Biden's message out there in significant swing states front & center and before Trump officially claims his own version of a China-argument.  The Biden ad doesn't blink at using the necessary cold-war type imagery of a Trump-China connection from the economy to CO-Vid.  

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    Abrams (none / 0) (#1)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Apr 16, 2020 at 08:51:29 AM EST
    never was mayor. She was minority leader in the GA senate. Just my opinion but there are way better African American women to pick for VP than Abrams.

    it depends (none / 0) (#2)
    by CST on Thu Apr 16, 2020 at 10:24:50 AM EST
    On priorities - is the priority maximizing electoral turnout or is it setting up the future president?

    If it's the latter, than IMO, Harris is a better choice than Warren if only due to her age.  If it's the former... I honestly don't know.  Warren could be a better choice but frankly the polling showed her supporters in the primary were some of the most loyal Dems, IOW, they're voting for Biden anyway.  I'm not sure there's a woman in the world who would actually help the ticket, for unfortunate reasons...  So in that case, might as well just go for it and pick the future president or just pick Bernie and be done with it (I don't really want that but it's also the only real "maximize turnout" pick).

    I agree that Abrams isn't quite ready yet to be the next president.

    With Harris (1.00 / 1) (#6)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Thu Apr 16, 2020 at 02:05:55 PM EST
    Biden will lock up the California electoral votes.

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    How insightful (none / 0) (#8)
    by CST on Thu Apr 16, 2020 at 02:26:54 PM EST
    It's almost like you ignored the entire point of my post which is that there is no woman who can help him win.

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    Tammy Baldwin could help in Wisconsin (none / 0) (#13)
    by Towanda on Thu Apr 16, 2020 at 04:30:29 PM EST
    and she is super smart, too.

    But for smarts, California offers not only Kamala Harris but also Katie Porter. Too bas that California is not where Biden needs support, as those women would be top picks.

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    I wonder if selecting a (5.00 / 1) (#14)
    by KeysDan on Thu Apr 16, 2020 at 05:30:40 PM EST
    running mate to capture their home state has the relevance it once had. Surely, JKF's selection of LBJ, and bringing Texas electoral college votes along was critical to his election; however, that calculus may no longer be as important.

    It may still be a factor, but one outweighed, especially in more modern times, by complementary criteria. Certainly, Obama did not pick Biden to capture Delaware. And, the Christo-fascist Pence was chosen to be block runner for the un-churchy  Trump.

    Senator Harris would not be necessary to gaining California's electoral votes, but she may have broad political attraction and help capture the national vote.  Similarly, Senator Warren is not necessary to the MA vote, but brings expertise necessary to the instant challenge of economic recovery. Senator Klobuchar, on the other hand, may help to solidify the MN vote, but her moderate positions match those of Biden rather than extending beyond them so as to address the range of Democratic voters.

    All of the woman mentioned (Biden pledged to have a female running mate) are well-qualified and would be very  capable to serve as president in keeping with the Constitutional order of succession.

    In my view, the election of a Democratic president will be a function of voter turn-out. Whomever is assessed as helping most in turn-out, should be our vice-presidential candidate.

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    Harris was my prez pick (5.00 / 1) (#20)
    by Towanda on Thu Apr 16, 2020 at 09:40:13 PM EST
    but better than VP for her, and us, may be her as AG.

    And Warren as Secretary of the Treasury.

    Imagine those two, after Barr and Mnuchin. There is a lot to be done to restore integrity in the DoJ , the IRS, etc.

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    I just think (5.00 / 1) (#18)
    by CST on Thu Apr 16, 2020 at 07:35:59 PM EST
    Maybe that's not the most important criteria this time around considering Biden's age - and frankly - I'm not really sure a VP is capable of flipping a state any more than Biden himself.

    That said, I think Tammy Baldwin would be fantastic on merit.  I love Katie Porter but with Biden at 78 I'd like to see a heavy hitter at VP with more statewide experience.

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    Amy (5.00 / 1) (#26)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Sat Apr 18, 2020 at 12:12:37 PM EST
    Amy could help in Minnesota that Hillary won by only 1.5%

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    The popular Michigan Governor, (none / 0) (#3)
    by KeysDan on Thu Apr 16, 2020 at 12:32:48 PM EST
    Gretchen Whitmer, has been mentioned as Biden's running mate and those prospects appear to have sent some right wingers to the ledge and others to Courts and streets (in their vehicles) in protest of her April 9 executive order to extend and otherwise combat the corona virus outbreak.

    Federal suits have been filed relating to unconstitutional taking and violation of the right to bear arms by closing gun shops.

    Another step to bemire the governor was yesterday's massive traffic jam around Lansing, the state Capitol. The city is closed down other than for essential workers needing to get around.

    A physician pleaded with one protestor to move his vehicle so as not to block the ambulance entrance to a hospital. The funding source for some of the protest activity is, apparently,  the DeVos family.

    The protestors were decked out in their best MAGA attire, with some sporting the Confederate battle flag.  Perhaps, just displaying their history and heritage of Michigan as a former Confederate state. Oh, wait...never mind.  Just economic anxiety.

    This is classic MAGAt behavior. (none / 0) (#4)
    by Chuck0 on Thu Apr 16, 2020 at 12:51:44 PM EST
    "Who cares who I get sick, or who I transmit the virus to, so long as I get to do what I want to do."

    These are same people who believe is someone else is getting help or getting assistance, somehow they are losing something. If someone else is succeeding, then they themselves are losing. To them there is no leveling of the playing field. There is only "I win" and "you lose."


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    According to Politico... (none / 0) (#5)
    by desertswine on Thu Apr 16, 2020 at 01:47:25 PM EST
    The protest, called "Operation Gridlock," was organized by the Michigan Conservative Coalition and the Michigan Freedom Fund, a DeVos family-linked conservative group.

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    The store was open (none / 0) (#7)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Thu Apr 16, 2020 at 02:15:23 PM EST
    But half Whitmer prohibited the purchase of seeds and paint even at stores allowed to be open. Painting and gardening  are prime constructive activities during lockdown in other states. Lockdown is one thing, but using it as an excuse for silly and arbitrary restrictions is another.

    If the French experience is a guide she shares responsibility for increasing domestic violence having foreclosed constructive alternatives.

    From CNN:

    Christophe Castaner, the French Interior Minister, said there had been a 36% increase in police intervention for cases of domestic violence in Paris after the lockdown measures were enacted.  

     

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    Oh... half-Whitmer... (5.00 / 8) (#9)
    by desertswine on Thu Apr 16, 2020 at 02:59:54 PM EST
    I get it, Ab-drool.

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    I shouldn't be laughing (5.00 / 3) (#10)
    by Zorba on Thu Apr 16, 2020 at 03:08:08 PM EST
     at that, but I am.  Hahahahaha!

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    Why not laugh when the alternative is to ... (5.00 / 1) (#21)
    by Erehwon on Thu Apr 16, 2020 at 10:14:43 PM EST
    Cry copiously at what has happened to the body culture and ethos of the country under the modern GOP where Trump is the norm, not the outlier.

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    Not too original, (5.00 / 3) (#11)
    by KeysDan on Thu Apr 16, 2020 at 03:26:02 PM EST
    Trump beat Abdul to that belittling of Governor Whitmer---something she no doubt she has not heard since third-grade recess.  Women in authority are not these guys cup of tea.

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    What do you think, Abdul? (5.00 / 4) (#12)
    by jondee on Thu Apr 16, 2020 at 04:03:36 PM EST
    maybe conservatives should stop blaming government and society for their domestic violence problems and start owning responsibility for their actions.

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    Yeah, Abdul! (none / 0) (#17)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Thu Apr 16, 2020 at 06:26:17 PM EST
    When did you stop beating your wife and kids?

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    Wow. So funny. (5.00 / 6) (#15)
    by Yman on Thu Apr 16, 2020 at 06:22:29 PM EST
    But half Whitmer prohibited the purchase of seeds and paint even at stores allowed to be open.

    The wingnuts love them some juvenile nicknames and  laughable conspiracy theories.

    Michigan's COVID-19 order doesn't ban gardening or sale of seeds and fruit

    If only they could've been in their yards gardening, that would've prevented so much domestic violence!

    Heh.

    Since we're just making $hit up, I'm guessing a much larger reduction occurred by allowing a bunch of them to prance around with their masculinity compensation devices, MAGAT hats and confederate flags pretending to be tough guys.


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    And I thought people killed people, (5.00 / 3) (#19)
    by Erehwon on Thu Apr 16, 2020 at 07:41:20 PM EST
    not guns. But now I learn that lockdowns kill people! Expecting "cons" to have convictions is an epic fail. Face-palm!

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    Confederate flags are such a good look ... (none / 0) (#16)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Thu Apr 16, 2020 at 06:24:19 PM EST
    ... for a Republican Party that's already oozing white privilege out of its pores, don'tcha think? All we need now is a xenophobic initiative that targets our cities' Chinatown districts as portals for alien infiltration. Oh, wait, that's already happened. My bad.

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    I (none / 0) (#23)
    by FlJoe on Fri Apr 17, 2020 at 03:48:37 PM EST
    think Whitmer is going thru an audition of sorts with the Covid crisis. She has shown some strong but controversial leadership.  Judging by the latest numbers out of Michigan she has been successful in bending the curve significantly.

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    Trump fomenting violence today (none / 0) (#22)
    by smott on Fri Apr 17, 2020 at 03:17:01 PM EST
    On Twitter.
    Still gets to keep his account though.

    Inciting the (none / 0) (#24)
    by KeysDan on Fri Apr 17, 2020 at 04:53:21 PM EST
    over-through of Democratic governors.  But, those.Confederate, Nazi flag, MAGAt protesters like him, and besides what about her emails.   Both sides, also.  And, can he be impeached again, we may not make to a November vote.

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    The story that the US Mail (5.00 / 3) (#25)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Apr 17, 2020 at 06:58:25 PM EST
    Might be going away has been sort of lost in the Covid news avalanche but it could be very important if voting by mail is necessary

     which is no doubt the reason Trump is against bailing out the USPS as a part of the of stimulus

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    Maybe an extra added attraction (none / 0) (#35)
    by ragebot on Fri Apr 24, 2020 at 10:37:39 PM EST
    to bailing out the Post Office is voting by mail.

    But for many years there has been lots of effort on the part of many conservatives to force the Post Office to get on a diet.  The pay is higher than private industry and retirement pay is much higher.  All of this was well before voting by mail was an issue.

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    Yes (5.00 / 4) (#36)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Apr 25, 2020 at 08:54:04 AM EST
    God forbid there should be such a large org providing a living  wage and a dignified retirement.

    Can't have that.  It might catch on.

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    What private industry competes with the USPS? (5.00 / 2) (#53)
    by Chuck0 on Thu Apr 30, 2020 at 07:48:03 PM EST
    And, no UPS and Fedex don't deliver my water bill or birthday cards.

    A good friend of mine worked for USPS for many years after exiting the Army. He earned what I would call mediocre wages. So I don't know what your scale is for a livable wage.

    We are teetering towards being a tin pot republic. Not having a functioning postal service would take us out of contention for being a first world country.

    Ben Franklin is spinning in his grave.

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    New Republic (none / 0) (#37)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Apr 27, 2020 at 03:56:05 PM EST
    While history suggests that blandness to the point of invisibility is not a political asset (does anyone remember Tim Kaine?), the virtues of surprise in the veepstakes are also overrated. One Sarah Palin or her equivalent in a lifetime is more than enough.

    When Joe Biden makes his choice, my guess is that he will go with competence and compatibility rather than a flair for the dramatic. So with a deep awareness of the ease of being wrong, I'm guessing that Amy Klobuchar will join Joe Biden with their arms raised high in triumph, six feet apart, at the virtual Democratic convention.

    long an interesting on the VP.  I think that's a very good choice

    Interesting (none / 0) (#38)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Apr 27, 2020 at 06:47:04 PM EST
    so many people are banking on Kamala Harris.

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    He has said a few things (none / 0) (#39)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Apr 27, 2020 at 06:50:32 PM EST
    That sound like preparing people for him to NOT pick a woman of color.  I commented about it before

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    Yeah (none / 0) (#40)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Apr 27, 2020 at 07:53:11 PM EST
    things like Kamala for supreme court.

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    Biden is such a conventional wisdom (none / 0) (#41)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Apr 27, 2020 at 08:07:19 PM EST
    Guy.  I imagine he might think he has the black vote and what he needs is midwestern white women.

    Might be right.

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    Today (none / 0) (#43)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Apr 29, 2020 at 01:03:11 PM EST
    A virtual fundraiser with Joe Biden and Sen. Amy Klobuchar next week is being billed to potential donors with an explicit reference to Klobuchar being a potential running mate, the New York Times reports.



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    I think (5.00 / 1) (#44)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Apr 29, 2020 at 02:26:12 PM EST
    that goes past Midwestern women into women in the suburbs.

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    I have to admit, though generally no fan of (5.00 / 3) (#51)
    by Peter G on Thu Apr 30, 2020 at 02:53:05 PM EST
    prosecutors turned politicians, I was very impressed with Klobuchar's steely-eyed takedown of Kavanaugh during his confirmation hearing. She is tough, smart, and unflappable.

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    I'm good with it (none / 0) (#45)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Apr 29, 2020 at 02:32:03 PM EST
    Rep. Jim Clyburn (D-SC), one of Joe Biden's biggest backers, told NBC News that it's "not a must" for the former vice president to pick a black woman as his running mate.

    Said Clyburn: "I think having a woman on the ticket is a must. I'm among those who feel that it would be great for him to select a woman of color. But that is not a must."



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    You know (none / 0) (#46)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Apr 29, 2020 at 02:36:54 PM EST
    at this point I think everybody is in a just win baby mindset.

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    Think so? (none / 0) (#47)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Apr 29, 2020 at 05:47:16 PM EST
    GOP Senator Says Georgia Is In Play

    April 29, 2020 at 5:42 pm EDT By Taegan Goddard 154 Comments

    "Sen. David Perdue, a Georgia Republican up for reelection and a close Trump confidant, issued a blunt warning to GOP activists during an off-the-record conference call this week: Democrats are in position to turn his state blue and take the Senate," CNN reports

    Said Perdue: "Here's the reality: The state of Georgia is in play."

    "The stark warning from a GOP senator -- who is not considered among the most vulnerable Republicans this election cycle -- illustrates the fear among Republicans that Democrats' chances of taking back the Senate continue to grow."



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    He's a terrible (none / 0) (#48)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Apr 29, 2020 at 07:08:36 PM EST
    senator and he has to put the fear of God into the GOP to win and even then he might not. I'm voting for Teresa Tomlinson in the primary. I think she's our best shot at taking out Perdue.

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    A new team, (none / 0) (#49)
    by KeysDan on Thu Apr 30, 2020 at 10:17:51 AM EST
    Amy and Pete.   Both appeared separately together on the Stephen Colbert Show last night.  They are now dear friends campaigning for Biden,  They explained that prior tensions were just those of a campaign and they and their husbands have become friends and Pete even sent Amy photos of his dog.   Apparently, Biden wants harmony.

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    "Apparently, Biden wants harmony. " (none / 0) (#50)
    by leap on Thu Apr 30, 2020 at 11:33:47 AM EST
    How droll.

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    Starting to like Weaver more (none / 0) (#42)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Apr 28, 2020 at 01:28:20 PM EST
    "Former top advisers to Sen. Bernie Sanders are teaming up on a surprising new venture to try to rally progressive support for Joe Biden's 2020 campaign: a super PAC," the New York Times reports.

    "Jeff Weaver, who served as Mr. Sanders's campaign manager in 2016 and as a top adviser in 2020, and Mark Longabaugh, who worked for Mr. Sanders in 2016 but left the 2020 campaign early on, are the leading figures behind the effort."

    "Mr. Sanders has railed for years against super PACs, which can accepted unlimited donations, emphasizing his reliance on millions of small contributions from supporters online to fuel his two presidential bids. Mr. Sanders, through a spokesman, did not immediately respond to a request for comment on the new group."
    Ok (none / 0) (#52)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Apr 30, 2020 at 04:44:38 PM EST
    I just saw an ad for Stacy Abrams for VP.

    WTF

    this is new, right?

    To be clear, I like it.  IMO Abrams is better but seriously, has anybody.....ever......?

    She's majorly (none / 0) (#54)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Apr 30, 2020 at 08:36:35 PM EST
    campaigning for VP but IMO she's not the best pick.

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    CNN (none / 0) (#55)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Apr 30, 2020 at 09:02:36 PM EST
    The directness belies years of precedent by prospective running mates, who often publicly play coy about the vice-presidential ambitions while simultaneously privately running campaigns to get themselves picked. In a series of interviews with CNN, aides, former bosses, and longtime friends say that straightforwardness reflects who Abrams has been for her entire adult life: A black woman raised in Mississippi and Georgia who feels if she is not upfront about her ambitions, she will get passed over.

    It's just so refreshingly direct and honest I think it's very appealing.

    I like it.  

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    I do kinda love that while a third year student (none / 0) (#57)
    by Peter G on Thu Apr 30, 2020 at 09:47:01 PM EST
    at Yale Law School, and without slacking off from her studies in a program that is not for wimps, Abrams had the time and the creative imagination to begin writing a series of trashy romantic suspense novels.

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    Yeah (none / 0) (#58)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri May 01, 2020 at 01:16:22 PM EST
    Kemp thought that was going to be a big deal with voters but it wasn't. The tax issue was however.

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    No coy playing (none / 0) (#59)
    by KeysDan on Fri May 01, 2020 at 03:54:46 PM EST
    at the 1956 Democratic Convention.  Adlai Stevenson, the presidential nominee, as he was in 1952, no longer wanted  his previous running mate, Alabama Senator John Sparkman.  Governor Stevenson opened up selection of a vice presidential  candidate to the Convention floor.  Senator John F Kennedy of MA, and Tennessee Senator Estes Kefauver carried on fierce campaigns.    The result was a Stevenson/Kefauver ticket, subsequently being defeated and a return to office of incumbents, Eisenhower/Nixon.

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    I hope that Biden chooses someone.. (none / 0) (#56)
    by desertswine on Thu Apr 30, 2020 at 09:33:46 PM EST
    who's still living.

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