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Sunday Night Open Thread

I couldn't even begin to say what I did all weekend, instead of blogging. That's because I did absolutely nothing -- and it felt great.

Since there's nothing on TV besides The Good Wife, I may catch up -- but more likely, I'll start fresh again tomorrow.

Here's an open thread, all topics welcome.

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    AN AXE LENGTH AWAY, vol. 356 (5.00 / 2) (#81)
    by Dadler on Mon May 19, 2014 at 12:49:39 PM EST
    Father, son, global destruction. (link)

    v. 355
    v. 354
    v. 353

    Recovering from four days of chaperoning middle school band kids to Anaheim/Disneyland, which included ungodly bus trips down and back. To give you a hint at how quickly it went south: think bus breakdown two hours into the first day, in the middle of central California nowhere, in 105 degree heat (not including extra degrees from the asphalt). In other words, it was obscene hell from the go. But my boys were a great group, all sweet kids. (My wife, however, had one boy who was, how shall we say, a tad sociopathic.)

    As for the inept bus company, the one who left dozens of middle school band kids stranded in the inferno for three hours before they could be bothered to get a mechanic on the scene? They are, to say the very least, an entirely different and disturbing story. As in someone should yank their license. And since my son's school is more that 50% Chinese, there were several Tiger Mother chaperones who were ready to throw down with the three female bus drivers, who seemed much better at getting lost than driving 80 mph while blindly changing lanes. No embellishment necessary.

    More to come later, give me a few weeks or month to decompress.

    Oy.

    I cannot believe (5.00 / 1) (#82)
    by Zorba on Mon May 19, 2014 at 01:04:42 PM EST
    that bus company!
    I'm betting that they spent very little money on maintenance.  The bus should not have broken down in the first place.
    I'd love to be there if the Tiger Mothers ever storm into the office of the bus owner (assuming they can find him/her).

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    I'm drafting a nasty letter now (5.00 / 2) (#87)
    by Dadler on Mon May 19, 2014 at 01:58:27 PM EST
    Trying to stay as level headed as I can. The bus company is a joke. Aside from the inexcusable mechanical problems (it was a belt that blew, and ANY routine maintenance should easily find dry and worn belts to replace), our driver wore flip flops most of the time, a halter top one day, tight jeans the next. Oh, and did I mention the driver's gigantic boyfriend (6'6", maybe 350 lbs) was along for the ride? (They did get a free room at the Hyatt, after all.) His constant chatting her up wasn't distracting to her already manic driving, oh no. I was grateful we made it home alive.

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    Find out from the school how often and (5.00 / 4) (#100)
    by Anne on Mon May 19, 2014 at 03:58:58 PM EST
    how much money this company makes off them in an average year, then ask the company for a refund.

    Got any video of the event?  That could be useful, as well.

    Find out who in the hchool's PTA deals with this kind of thing - see if they will let you speak at the next meeting.  Parental support for some kind of action will go a long way.

    Give 'em hell - seems only fair, since that's what they gave you - and you had to pay real money for the privilege.

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    Thanks for the pep talk, I need it (5.00 / 2) (#108)
    by Dadler on Mon May 19, 2014 at 06:22:02 PM EST
    Sometimes one tires of having to beat on the corporate door just to get what you paid for. We shall see where the insurrection leads.

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    The problem may well be... (none / 0) (#150)
    by kdog on Tue May 20, 2014 at 09:45:41 AM EST
    the bus co. is getting what they pay for in drivers and mechanics.  

    I'm convinced there is a direct link between income disparity and sh*tty customer service...when the owner made ten times the worker, customer service was much better than it is in our 50-500 x the worker grift economy.  

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    I suspect the school hired the lowest bidder (none / 0) (#151)
    by oculus on Tue May 20, 2014 at 09:51:44 AM EST
    Too.

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    They'd used the company before... (none / 0) (#155)
    by Dadler on Tue May 20, 2014 at 10:05:16 AM EST
    ...without problems, but apparently the company seems to have gone, how shall we say, downhill since then.

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    Seriously, the belt that snapped... (none / 0) (#156)
    by Dadler on Tue May 20, 2014 at 10:07:39 AM EST
    ...was so visible. All you had to do was open the "hood" and there it was right in front of you. Who the hell can't tell a dry and worn belt? Plus, there was a restroom on the bus, but they urged you not to use it unless you absolutely had to. That's encouraging, no?

    I agree with your assessment of CEO to worker pay entirely.

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    I hear ya Bro... (none / 0) (#162)
    by kdog on Tue May 20, 2014 at 10:35:17 AM EST
    not excusing the sh*t sandwich the kids were served...it's wrong.  

    Just trying to explain it...the message from up high is do just enough not to get fired.

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    Big yep. As I said... (none / 0) (#167)
    by Dadler on Tue May 20, 2014 at 10:49:46 AM EST
    ...I agree with that assessment entirely. I was just venting some more. This too shall pass. ;-)

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    "This is a very complicated case Maude... (5.00 / 1) (#190)
    by kdog on Tue May 20, 2014 at 11:50:13 AM EST
    Ya know...lotta ins, lotta outs." ;)

    Owner/Operator joints and some small businesses are the last refuge of quality customer service...and even then it's hit or miss with everybody so damn ornery all the time.

    I'm even finding my happy-go-lucky self more ornery than usual while rocking the cube...and I don't like it 'cuz that's never really been my style. So much unnecessary nastyness for the sake of nastyness...it tries to break you down.  Maybe sh*theadism is viral or bacterial or something...contagious.  

    Or just simple "kick the dog" gone epidemic...when you're the low dog on the job, the only dog left to kick is the customer.

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    Please tell us the kids were resilient (none / 0) (#169)
    by oculus on Tue May 20, 2014 at 10:52:00 AM EST
    and enjoyed their time at Disneyland, including their performance and the coaching.

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    They're kids, they had a blast (5.00 / 4) (#178)
    by Dadler on Tue May 20, 2014 at 11:22:13 AM EST
    My wife had one kid, Kyros, who was so little, and ate so little, that he had seventy of his one hundred dollars of meal-money left over to pocket. Kid at about three leaves of lettuce and ten sunflower seeds every day. She also had the kid who had a habit of wandering away, turning off his cell phone, and who would ONLY eat chicken nuggets. I had to have a little "talk" with him, since my wife gave up on trying to bust him, and it actually seemed to work for the rest of the trip. I basically told the kid, "You're very interesting, a different cat. I like that. But until you get out of school, listen, you have to play by the rules in a smart way. Then you can break them every once in awhile without getting in trouble, or getting anyone else in trouble. Now, enough with the chicken strips. Eat a goddamn salad, kid." Whatever, like I said, it worked for the rest of the trip. Perhaps the kid is back to being young Charlie Manson, I have no idea.

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    Sounds like the makings (5.00 / 1) (#101)
    by Zorba on Mon May 19, 2014 at 03:59:42 PM EST
    of a story.  You should write it up, once you calm down.
    It would be hysterically funny, although I realize that it wasn't at all funny to those of you who suffered through it.  But you could make comedy gold out of this.     ;-)

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    Try to imagine a giant tour bus... (5.00 / 1) (#107)
    by Dadler on Mon May 19, 2014 at 06:20:41 PM EST
    ...being driven like a NASCAR driver by a chick in a strapless sundress and flip-flops. Her boyfriend, as I mentioned, was so big, I kid you not, when we made a meal stop on the way home, we went into a greasy spoon that advertised a triple-pound burger. If you could eat the entire thing, the sign said, you'd get your photo on the wall.

    And guess who got his photo on the wall twenty minutes later?

    You can't make this sh*t up.

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    OMG! (5.00 / 2) (#109)
    by Zorba on Mon May 19, 2014 at 06:33:28 PM EST
    You really need to make a story out of this, D.
    This is absolutely insane.  Especially on a bus full of kids.
    You're right.  You "can't make this sh*t up."
    I am even thinking: a screen play.  Who would play the female bus driver, and who would play her boyfriend?

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    I can't even think casting right now (5.00 / 1) (#110)
    by Dadler on Mon May 19, 2014 at 06:36:57 PM EST
    I'm trying to come down from the fear that we were going to die at any moment.

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    Yes, (5.00 / 1) (#115)
    by Zorba on Mon May 19, 2014 at 06:51:18 PM EST
    I can understand that.  Unbelievable!
    What a fustercluck!  I sincerely hope that the bus company goes out of business.


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    Check out whether the CHP or any state (5.00 / 2) (#111)
    by oculus on Mon May 19, 2014 at 06:40:23 PM EST
    agency inspects/licenses the company.

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    CHP (5.00 / 2) (#113)
    by oculus on Mon May 19, 2014 at 06:45:29 PM EST
    PUC (5.00 / 2) (#114)
    by oculus on Mon May 19, 2014 at 06:50:06 PM EST
    DMV licenses the commercial (5.00 / 2) (#116)
    by oculus on Mon May 19, 2014 at 06:55:50 PM EST
    driver.

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    Yes, really, funny as the boyfriend sounds (5.00 / 2) (#124)
    by ruffian on Mon May 19, 2014 at 08:57:16 PM EST
    having him along had to be against all kinds of rules if he was not there to work.  That really was a dangerous situation. I am really glad to hear it was not worse!

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    NYer 3rd Installment of Abramson Saga (5.00 / 2) (#85)
    by squeaky on Mon May 19, 2014 at 01:39:56 PM EST
    Punchline:

    While Sulzberger disparaged Abramson for the way she ran the paper, the Times's own mishandling of this crisis could be taught at the Harvard Business School as a case study in poor management and worse communications. It is an affair in which neither side behaved well or with any finesse and the institution, which is so central to American journalism, suffered.


    How many notches might this (none / 0) (#126)
    by oculus on Mon May 19, 2014 at 09:03:08 PM EST
    be above "usually well-informed sources"?  (Can't wait for her wrongful termination lawsuit and memoir.)

    Extremely well-informed sources at the paper familiar with the reasons for Abramson's dismissal have also given this account to The New Yorker: ....


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    Really Doubt She Will Sue (none / 0) (#132)
    by squeaky on Mon May 19, 2014 at 11:01:48 PM EST
    We'll see.

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    Has any editor of the NYT (none / 0) (#133)
    by ZtoA on Mon May 19, 2014 at 11:08:38 PM EST
    been so publicly fired simply for what the owner thinks of as personality flaws?

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    Seems More Complex, IMO (5.00 / 1) (#137)
    by squeaky on Tue May 20, 2014 at 12:13:37 AM EST
    publicly fired simply for what the owner thinks of as personality flaws?

    There is a lot unclear...

    The case she would have is if she were fired because she brought in a lawyer to investigate her claim about being paid less because she is a woman.

    Think progress opines on some possible caveats:

    Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 does not simply ban employment discrimination on the basis of "race, color, religion, sex, or national origin," it also prohibits employers from retaliating against employees who complain about alleged discrimination......

    .....Two caveats should be noted. The first is that, last year, the five conservative Supreme Court justices significantly weakened federal anti-retaliation law in a case known as University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center v. Nassar. Nassar eliminated what are known as "mixed motive" retaliation claims -- that is, claims where unlawful retaliation is one of several factors driving an adverse action against an employee. After Nassar, Abramson would have to show that she would not have been fired but for the fact that she complained about alleged discrimination. Given the myriad of other possible reasons why she may have been let go, this could be a difficult hurdle for her to clear.

    The second caveat is that Abramson reportedly signed a settlement agreement with the New York Times, according to the Times itself. Though the details of this agreement are as yet unknown, it is likely that, at the very least, she was given some amount of severance pay in return for agreeing to waive any legal claims she might have against the Times. If this is the case, then Abramson would be unable to bring a successful lawsuit even if she did experience unlawful discrimination.



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    Apparently the severance agreement did not (5.00 / 2) (#138)
    by oculus on Tue May 20, 2014 at 12:19:50 AM EST
    bar the employer from publicizing its terms.

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    Really? (none / 0) (#145)
    by squeaky on Tue May 20, 2014 at 08:53:55 AM EST
    Have you seen the severance agreement, or heard about it's terms?

    ThinkPrigress is speculating, based on common practice:

    Though the details of this agreement are as yet unknown, it is likely that, at the very least, she was given some amount of severance pay in return for agreeing to waive any legal claims she might have against the Times.


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    Nope. But either the Times (none / 0) (#153)
    by oculus on Tue May 20, 2014 at 09:56:02 AM EST
    Is breaching the agreement or the agreement.did not contain a mutual non-disclosure clause.

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    Really? (none / 0) (#165)
    by squeaky on Tue May 20, 2014 at 10:46:51 AM EST
    What basis do you have for opining that the Times breached their agreement?

    How does mentioning that you can not disclose the terms of a severance agreement breach a non-disclosure clause?

    I think you are too eager to see Sulzberger fry here...

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    "Or" is the key word in comment above. (none / 0) (#166)
    by oculus on Tue May 20, 2014 at 10:49:38 AM EST
    Disagree (none / 0) (#171)
    by squeaky on Tue May 20, 2014 at 11:03:55 AM EST
    A non-disclosure clause disallows revealing the content, not the fact that there is a severance agreement with a non-disclosure clause.

    IOW disclosing that there is an agreement is not a violation of a non-disclosure clause.

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    I am merely speculating re the speculative (none / 0) (#182)
    by oculus on Tue May 20, 2014 at 11:28:20 AM EST
    quote in the comment to which I first replied:

    The second caveat is that Abramson reportedly signed a settlement agreement with the New York Times, according to the Times itself. Though the details of this agreement are as yet unknown, it is likely that, at the very least, she was given some amount of severance pay in return for agreeing to waive any legal claims she might have against the Times. If this is the case, then Abramson would be unable to bring a successful lawsuit even if she did experience unlawful discrimination.
     [Italics added.]

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    OK (none / 0) (#188)
    by squeaky on Tue May 20, 2014 at 11:38:34 AM EST
    I must be missing something here, your point to be exact.

    The author of the think progress piece is speculating about what the agreement may have in it, namely giving up the right to sue.

    Nowhere does the author speculate that Sulzberger has disclosed that fact, it is the author's own assumption based on knowledge of other severance agreements.

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    Trust me. I'm a lawyer! (none / 0) (#189)
    by oculus on Tue May 20, 2014 at 11:40:13 AM EST
    Good One! (5.00 / 1) (#192)
    by squeaky on Tue May 20, 2014 at 11:51:36 AM EST
    IANAL...  so trust me at your own risk regarding legal issues..

    ahahahah (laughing backwards)

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    According to this Source (none / 0) (#199)
    by squeaky on Tue May 20, 2014 at 12:06:21 PM EST
    This is the key statement that is possibly not kosher:

    Sulzberger then took the extraordinary step - one that may violate a mutual non-disparagement clause that is likely to be part of Abramson's severance package --  of going into specifics of the ouster:

    "I decided that Jill could no longer remain as executive editor for reasons having nothing to do with pay or gender ... During her tenure, I heard repeatedly from her newsroom colleagues, women and men, about a series of issues, including arbitrary decision-making, a failure   to consult and bring colleagues with her, inadequate communication and the public mistreatment of colleagues.  I discussed these issues with Jill herself several times and warned her that, unless they were addressed, she risked losing the trust of both masthead and newsroom.  She acknowledged that there were issues and agreed to try to overcome them.  We all wanted her to succeed.  It became clear, however, that the gap was too big to bridge and ultimately I concluded that she had lost the support of her masthead colleagues and could not win it back."

    link

    Full Text of Sulzberger's Statement here

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    It's late here on the west coast (at least for me) (none / 0) (#140)
    by ZtoA on Tue May 20, 2014 at 12:42:51 AM EST
    but there was a pattern of her being paid less. The NYT never said that she was fired for her demands about pay. She asserted it was simply one part of their treatment of her. NYT basically said (to my understanding) that she did not have the 'right' personality for the job. She asserts that her demands for parity is only a part of their 'problems' with her 'personality'.

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    Sulzberger Denied there was any Pay Discrepancy (none / 0) (#146)
    by squeaky on Tue May 20, 2014 at 09:12:19 AM EST
    And, accordion to reports, which focused on the sexist angle, pushy etc..  she was fired because she was not an effective manager, and possibly lying to her boss [disputed].

    The question of whether she would have been fired for the same problems were she a man has been asked.

    One way to look at it, were Howell Rains or A. M. Rosenthal insulting, demeaning, brusque, pushy [aggressive]., which apparently they were, would they get fired today?

    It may be that times have changed at places like the NYT. Because of an environment that is less heterogeneous (white men) it is no longer socially acceptable to be an a$$hole manager.

    If this is true, it should be applauded that women and other's have changed the workplace environment, and not replicated the model that that white men like Rains or Rosenthal provided.

    In a review of her performance as executive editor, he[ Sulzberger] even told Abramson, not for the first time, that the way she was said to treat colleagues could not continue. It is true that Abramson was not necessarily any more peremptory or erratic than male predecessors like Raines or A. M. Rosenthal. At the same time, she was working in a more modern atmosphere in which there is a greater expectation that executives will be more considerate. Still, there is a legitimate question, one that some women at the Times have raised, about whether a man with similar behavior would be viewed the same way.


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    The reasons for her firing keep (none / 0) (#194)
    by ZtoA on Tue May 20, 2014 at 11:58:24 AM EST
    shifting around. Was she fired for being pushy? = hiring a lawyer to make inquiries about her compensation, and feeling entitled to do that. Also = her wanting to hire a digital managing editor which was OK with everyone until Baquet learned that she would be his equal and complained to Sulzberger. Was that the "public mistreatment of colleagues? Or was it that she "complained" about her unequal salary and then it was raised?

    I think it was the  Janine Gibson business and Baquet was livid and threatened to leave. Why it is wrong to get an editor to manage the digital side as equal to one who manages the print side of the paper? I think it makes good sense. The humiliating way she was fired seems to indicate that this was very personal for Sulzberger and that he was angry and wanted to her to be humiliated. Maybe it is that HE is the one with bad management skills and interpersonal communication skills much more than her. Defining and then choosing 'sides' like this is very dysfunctional.

    Gibson, who stayed with the Guardian, told Auletta. "Jill was explicit in our initial conversation when she told me, `The first thing I have to do is talk to Dean.' I'm mortified that these discussions are in public and feel very strongly that Jill should not have been hung out to dry when she behaved honorably and was trying to do what she thought was best for the New York Times."

    link

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    Apparently The Quote by Gibson is Disputed (none / 0) (#196)
    by squeaky on Tue May 20, 2014 at 12:02:41 PM EST
    It is not clear that Abramson told Baquet about Gibson. Someone was lying (either Baquet or Abramson) and Sulzberger decided it was Abramson.

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    Who disputed it? (none / 0) (#200)
    by ZtoA on Tue May 20, 2014 at 12:06:26 PM EST
    Any follow up with Gibson? Link?

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    New Yorker Article Part 3 (5.00 / 1) (#201)
    by squeaky on Tue May 20, 2014 at 12:09:58 PM EST
    One incident I described in that time period was a lunch between Dean Baquet and Janine Gibson, the editor of the Guardian's U.S. operation, who was being courted by the Times to run its digital efforts. I wrote last Thursday, "What Baquet did not know, until Gibson herself mentioned it to him at lunch, I'm told, is that she was offered a managing-editor job comparable to his own. He was, it is fair to say, unenthusiastic, and even angered." After the lunch, Baquet complained to Sulzberger that he had been blindsided. He said he had no idea that Gibson would be ranked alongside him as a co-managing editor; he also raised his general, long-simmering frustration with Abramson's autocratic management style. Was this enough to get her fired? Given the tone of the e-mail from Thompson, something in the story still seemed to be missing.

    An answer, reported by Dylan Byers of Politico late yesterday, was that Abramson had been dishonest with Sulzberger and Thompson. Extremely well-informed sources at the paper familiar with the reasons for Abramson's dismissal have also given this account to The New Yorker: they say that Abramson was, essentially, fired for cause, for lying to Sulzberger that she had squared Gibson's rank and arrival with Baquet when, in fact, she had not.

    NYer

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    What does she have to lose? Her (none / 0) (#134)
    by oculus on Mon May 19, 2014 at 11:37:44 PM EST
    professional reputation is already in shambles.

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    She may actually have (none / 0) (#136)
    by ZtoA on Tue May 20, 2014 at 12:00:30 AM EST
    much to gain from it.

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    Gay marriage ban (5.00 / 1) (#97)
    by jbindc on Mon May 19, 2014 at 03:45:25 PM EST
    ruled unconstitutional in Oregon

    A federal judge struck down Oregon's voter-approved ban on same-sex marriage Monday.

    "Because Oregon's marriage laws discriminate on the basis of sexual orientation without a rational relationship to any legitimate government interest, the laws violate the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution," U.S. District Judge Michael McShane said in his ruling.

    Oregon voters passed Measure 36 in 2004, which amended the state's Constitution to define marriage as between one man and a woman.

    In February, the state's attorney general said she would not defend the ban in court because it would not stand up to a federal constitutional challenge.

    "My decision will not be the final word on this subject, but on this issue of marriage I am struck more by our similarities than our differences. I believe that if we can look for a moment past gender and sexuality, we can see in these plaintiffs nothing more or less than our own families, families who we would expect our Constitution to protect, if not exalt, in equal measure," McShane said. "With discernment we see not shadows lurking in closets or the stereotypes of what was once believed; rather, we see families committed to the common purpose of love, devotion, and service to the greater community."

    Same-sex couples camped out in lawn chairs outside a government building in Oregon's largest county while waiting for the news, then cheered as word of the judge's decision spread.

    Multnomah County began issuing marriage licenses to same-sex couples minutes later, the county said in a statement.



    Interesting (none / 0) (#99)
    by jbindc on Mon May 19, 2014 at 03:49:25 PM EST
    The judge, Michael McShane, grew up in a conservative Catholic family, attended a Catholic university, worked for the Jesuit Volunteer Corps, and worked as a corrections counselor. He also worked as both a prosecutor and defense attorney.

    He is also openly gay  -the first openly gay federal judge in Oregon.

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    Unbelievable disgusting (5.00 / 1) (#120)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon May 19, 2014 at 07:17:49 PM EST
    Mississippi blogger accused of exploiting Sen. Thad Cochran's ill wife

    Authorities say a conservative Mississippi blogger went into a nursing home, photographed the bedridden wife of Republican U.S. Sen. Thad Cochran without permission and posted an image online as part of a video.
    Rose Cochran, 72, has lived at St. Catherine's Village since 2000 and has dementia.

    You should click the link and look into the face of the new republican party

    I heard about this (none / 0) (#122)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon May 19, 2014 at 08:31:27 PM EST
    on TV tonight. These tea party people are really scaring and disgusting. We have a full ON WAR going on in my county right now. My husband and I were talking about the fact that a lot of these republicans really need to leave the GOP. Think Rove and the Bush smear machine gone on steroids but not content to smear Democrats they've gone onto other Republicans now.

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    What sort of human being (none / 0) (#123)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon May 19, 2014 at 08:37:26 PM EST
    Sneaks into a nursing home and takes pictures of a very sick woman and posts them on the web in an attempt to score political points against her husband.  In this case the incumbent republican senator.

    What was it even about?  His reported dalliance with an employee?  Never mind.   I don't even want to know.

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    Better yet, the GOP could leave... (none / 0) (#148)
    by unitron on Tue May 20, 2014 at 09:23:18 AM EST
    ...and take all of those people with it.

    Ike must be spinning like one of those NASA centrifuges.

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    Yes (none / 0) (#154)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue May 20, 2014 at 10:04:43 AM EST
    that would be better but unlikely to happen anytime soon.

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    Squeaky (5.00 / 2) (#135)
    by ZtoA on Mon May 19, 2014 at 11:59:08 PM EST
    I have almost gotten thru the cooking links you gave in the last open thread. Again, thanks. I live rather modestly and don't splurge much, but today I ordered sous vide equipment and a couple of the cookbooks. My splurge is on feeding and hosting and pleasing people who I love- or really like a lot! If a meal is right, and the pacing is right the conversations can be wonderful, and that is the real payoff of a good dinner- people feel cared for and comfortable and relaxed and free to be themselves. Can be done with wings and fries or the best cooking one is capable of - sort of depends on the kinds of conversations the host is interested in having for the evening. My other splurges are on buying art, my family, and art supplies - including $100 dollar tubes of paint. The pacojet is just too much of a stretch for me. Is there a substitue? I couldn't find one.

    I really like slow low temp cooked foods. We pacific north-westerners don't cook lobster much. Its not local. But slow cooked fresh wild caught high fat (Chinook) salmon is so great! I serve mine sometimes with a bitter chocolate and raspberry sauce. I cook the rasberries down with some balsamic vinegar and some cayenne and strain out the seeds and melt in some unsweetened chocolate and maybe a splash of some compatible liquor. I toss on several fresh raspberries as a garnish. I can add stevia if it needs a bit of sweet, but a good balsamic is sweet. With a simple salad with raspberry vinaigrette it is delish.

    Can't do the lobster dish. I could get live king crabs here but I would name them before I got them home and then have to get an expensive tank for them to live happily in and have to go out and get cooked crab anyhow.

    Have you ever cooked a medeival meal? those recipes looked interesting. My nephew and I one cooked a Game of Trones meal from the GoT cookbook. It was way more fun than good tasting. I let him pick most of the menu (we had so much fun with that) and he picked mostly desserts. I guess that was a balanced meal for a teen.

    Did you make that porchetta? Oh man that looks good. I'm going to try those lamb rub and cooking methods you recommended and see if I can get the recipe right. I can practice on my sister's family. They're always willing.

    I would think that sous vide would be great for home cooks. It will work great for me. I do like to have the occasional dinner party but it is just me as cook, host and server and I really love talking to my guests so I like to have everything ready so I don't spend much time in the kitchen (which is attached to the dining area). I got an electric crock pot several years ago and tried to make it work. Unless its beef stew its very tricky for me to make it work. Got a good lamb stew out of it, but the long cook moist crock pot seems to eat flavors.

    Again, thanks for the links. Its hard to find good ones 'for the internet is dark and full of errors'.

    You might like this then... (5.00 / 1) (#183)
    by desertswine on Tue May 20, 2014 at 11:28:57 AM EST
    Syllabub: Words on Food  -  It doesn't exist anymore. No one keeps it up anymore.  But it's about food, and was beautifully written. It's a peaceful read about food.  I wish the person who's blog it was would come back.

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    Reports (5.00 / 2) (#144)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue May 20, 2014 at 07:14:51 AM EST
    here in GA on early voting in the GOP primary is that it is down 20% from 2010.

    Primary Day on the Far Side, (5.00 / 1) (#157)
    by KeysDan on Tue May 20, 2014 at 10:13:05 AM EST
    from the NYT editorial on the GA primary ..Paul Broun, a Tea Party adherent who is running for the nomination for an open US Senate seat against six others in a field that has moved ludicrously far to the right. Mr. Broun, best known for calling evolution "lies straight from the pit of hell,"  and the editorial goes on to describe the other contenders who are "special" in their own  bizarre ways.  And, it seems like a 'can you top this' for wackiness for House seats. in the Georgia Republican primary  

    The final observation: " No Republican has a shot in this year's party primaries without paying homage to extremist ideas. Whether the Tea Party is still a political force is a moot point, the radicalism of 2010 and 2012 is very much alive in 2014." And, I might add, plan on 2016, as well.

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    Precisely (5.00 / 1) (#181)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue May 20, 2014 at 11:26:18 AM EST
    Even people that started out as not being tea party radicals like Kingston have become one.

    I have to wonder even if Perdue somehow wins the GOP primary (unlikely in my opinion due to the make up of the current GOP here in GA) that he won't become as crazy as the rest of them.

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    If numbers are down (none / 0) (#159)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue May 20, 2014 at 10:23:43 AM EST
    It means loony toons could win.  That's good for us.  Nunn already has a serious shot.  If one of the crazies pulls it off IMO she is in.

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    The Tea Party candidates (5.00 / 1) (#168)
    by jbindc on Tue May 20, 2014 at 10:50:42 AM EST
    Do not stand a chance today in Georgia and Perdue is likely to win.

    Link

    Tea Party Flops in Georgia Senate Race

    Unless of course, there's lots of monkey business that goes on behind the scenes...

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    Are you kidding? (5.00 / 1) (#176)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue May 20, 2014 at 11:19:16 AM EST
    That polling shows that 75% of the voters in the GOP primary are voting for Tea Party candidates. The only non tea party candidate is Perdue and with him polling at 25% there's going to be a run off.

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    I suppose the point is (none / 0) (#179)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue May 20, 2014 at 11:23:13 AM EST
    There is more than one TPcandidate.  Which misses the point that there could a runoff with only one.

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    And all polling (for months) (none / 0) (#198)
    by jbindc on Tue May 20, 2014 at 12:05:26 PM EST
    Has shown it will probably be a runoff between Perdue and Kingston - the two candidates NOT supported by the Tea Party.

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    No (none / 0) (#203)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue May 20, 2014 at 12:12:14 PM EST
    Kingston IS tea party.

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    Oh right Kingston (none / 0) (#204)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue May 20, 2014 at 12:13:41 PM EST
    Mr poor kids should clean the bathrooms for their lunch.

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    Flying monkey business (none / 0) (#172)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue May 20, 2014 at 11:04:24 AM EST
    I believe it is an open primary

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    Loony toons aren't good for anyone, (none / 0) (#173)
    by Anne on Tue May 20, 2014 at 11:06:06 AM EST
    at least not in my opinion.

    If nothing else, the presence of LT GOP candidates encourages Democratic opponents to move to the right in an effort to peel away votes from the LT GOP candidate, even if there's not a snowball's chance in hell a voter that far gone would ever vote for a Democrat, not even if that Dem were conservative.

    The more to the right the GOP candidate is, the more to the right the Democratic opponent goes.  In my mind, the end result is a lose-lose for everyone.

    Here's a question: has there ever been a moderate GOP candidate who moved to the left in order to peel votes away from a Democratic candidate deemed a loony-toon?  Is that even allowed?

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    Nope (5.00 / 1) (#180)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue May 20, 2014 at 11:23:45 AM EST
    not here in GA this time at least. Nunn has started from the center and stayed in the center. A tea party candidate makes it more likely that she won't have to change anything.

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    Well I guess we will just have (none / 0) (#175)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue May 20, 2014 at 11:15:42 AM EST
    To have a rare moment of disagreement.  If the loonies win Nunn will be the next senator.  That's good.  Nunn is already defined.  If anything a more moderate GOP candidate might make her tend to move to morecenter right positions because it would be a closer contest.

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    Michelle Nunn, the Democrat who (5.00 / 1) (#185)
    by Anne on Tue May 20, 2014 at 11:30:35 AM EST
    can't even say she would have voted for the ACA had she been in the Senate at the time.

    Charlie Pierce:

    The country is turning around on the Affordable Care Act to the point where the Republicans are starting to bail on repealing it as a 2014 campaign issue, and to the point where Republican governors with delusions of grandeur, like Mike Pence in Indiana, are trying to find a piece of it they can call their own. And yet here's Michelle Nunn, already pitching to be awarded the Blanche Lincoln Memorial Empty Suit Of Centrism before she's even elected. How is this supposed to help anything? Nunn remains preferable to the antic Chronic Ward out of which the Republicans will choose their candidate, but she's worth keeping an eye on anyway. Her old man, Sam Nunn, was one of the DLC Democrats who had a sweet tooth for neocon fantasies; back then, they were called "Scoop Jackson Democrats," named for the senator from Washington who did very little of note except look out for the interests of Boeing.

    "Better than the other guy;" maybe that's truly all we could expect from Georgia, and maybe it's enough that the needle stays where it is and doesn't move more to the right, but good golly, it's depressing.

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    And before you get to high (5.00 / 2) (#187)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue May 20, 2014 at 11:35:47 AM EST
    On the better than the other guy horse maybe you should spend some time looking at "the othe guys" instead of trashing her.  And maybe it would be less depressing.

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    Oh, trust me - I've looked at them, as (5.00 / 1) (#191)
    by Anne on Tue May 20, 2014 at 11:50:39 AM EST
    much as I could without seriously entertaining the possibility that the devil went down to Georgia and replaced a large number of otherwise sane people with humanoids incapable of rational thought.

    My biggest problem is that I truly do not understand how people can believe the kinds of things we're hearing from people running for national office; I just don't get it.

    And I hunger - or is it "yearn?" - for saner voices to be louder and more convincing that there are better ways than what the crazies are offering.

    So, yeah, Michelle Nunn has got to be better - my disappointment is the result of the bar for "better" having been lowered with each election cycle - and my inability to understand why Democrats don't fight harder to raise that bar.  I don't want them to be the equivalent of the husband who only beats his wife on Saturday night being better than the one who wallops her every day - I want someone to be the one to stand up and say, "no, it's wrong to do this."

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    No one knows better than me the Nunn legacy (none / 0) (#195)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue May 20, 2014 at 12:02:10 PM EST
    For years I had as a screen saver the NYT picture on Sam Nunn peering out if a bunk on a submarine to make the point of how awful and unacceptable it would be for good god fearin boys to have to be this close to a queer during the don't ask don't tell debate.   Which Nunn could be said to be the bastard father to Bubbas unwed mother.

    I had it there to remind me what to expect from southern democrats.  

    That being said there is no comparison between sending Michelle Nunn to the senate compared to one of the screaming meanies she is running against.   It's not even close.

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    You know (5.00 / 1) (#202)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue May 20, 2014 at 12:11:42 PM EST
    I'm guessing that only people like you and I that actually live in places like AR and GA understand all this.

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    MT is in AL (5.00 / 2) (#205)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue May 20, 2014 at 12:16:17 PM EST
    I think.   They know crazy

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    The crazy (none / 0) (#197)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue May 20, 2014 at 12:03:26 PM EST
    needs a total and complete defeat at the polls before they get the messaage.

    And you have to realize that the Republicans here in GA think that Obama is a Marxist Socialist to show you how out of the mainstream the entire state is.

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    She never said (none / 0) (#186)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue May 20, 2014 at 11:33:37 AM EST
    Evolution was a lie straight from the pit of hell on the other hand.

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    Dadler (5.00 / 2) (#206)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue May 20, 2014 at 01:00:54 PM EST
    In my case my fairy god whatever was riding alone and my legendary luck kicked in.   I literally rolled into the driveway of one of those deserted looking buildings that was actually a garage - the only building for miles in either direction - who not only had the exact part - I can't remember what it was, alternator? - but let me plug in so in could kick back get high turn on the air conditioner and set out my direct tv dish while I waited for it to cool down enough for him to put in on.

    I have so many of these stories you would not believe I'm sure.  Even I don't even believe half of them in retrospect.  I've pretty much stopped telling them bcause I can see people don't believe it.

    I used to think I was being saved for something.   Now I know it was to watch Game of Thrones.

    Capt Howdy is obviously (5.00 / 2) (#207)
    by Militarytracy on Tue May 20, 2014 at 01:09:30 PM EST
    A  secret Targaryen bastard, I have noticed some of them can be difficult to kill off :). The force is with them.

    I wish I could find a way to get paid (none / 0) (#1)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun May 18, 2014 at 08:54:26 PM EST
    for predicting plot twists in tv series

    Hey, if you are not reading the previously.tv (5.00 / 1) (#49)
    by ruffian on Mon May 19, 2014 at 08:58:37 AM EST
    recaps and other amusing GoT (and other shows) materials, you really should. Makes for fun Monday morning coffee breaks for me!

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    I have been (none / 0) (#60)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon May 19, 2014 at 09:25:05 AM EST
    Since you pointed me to it

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    My theory too Capt (none / 0) (#61)
    by Militarytracy on Mon May 19, 2014 at 09:38:27 AM EST
    What if?  What if pure Targaryen blood is so weak now, only a strong outcrossing can control a dragon?  What if Dany is only their mother, not their owner?  Those damn dragons are already rebelling like bad teenagers.

    It is said in the story that dragons are magical creatures.  What if three healthy dragons could only be born if there were three strong out crosses out there?

    Stannis' blood had some magic but that crazy red woman used it all up in a flash, so pretty weak.

    The Targaryens tried to hatch new dragons at one point in their late reign and blew themselves up according to rumor.

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    I think I read that Stannis (none / 0) (#67)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon May 19, 2014 at 09:48:31 AM EST
    Scaley faced daughter has a larger future in the story so you could be right about her.   Didn't you say she had Targ blood?

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    Yes she does (none / 0) (#149)
    by Militarytracy on Tue May 20, 2014 at 09:41:35 AM EST
    At least if Stannis' parentage holds true

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    Sooooo (none / 0) (#70)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon May 19, 2014 at 10:11:25 AM EST
    That might be the boy Red Crazy bled with leeches that Davos helped as aped (forget his name), Scaley face and who else??

    It would be great if it was Tyrion.  That seems to good to hope for.

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    Heh (5.00 / 1) (#71)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon May 19, 2014 at 10:13:16 AM EST
    "That Davos helped escape"

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    Some Thronies think Jon Snow (none / 0) (#152)
    by Militarytracy on Tue May 20, 2014 at 09:52:31 AM EST
    Is not Eddards child, but the child of Rhaegar Targaryen and Eddards sister.  Eddards sister was betrothed to Robert Baratheon  but she took off with Rhaegar Targaryen, and that started a war that  ended in Robert as King.  Some of us think that when Eddard got to his sister she was either close to having a child or ill from having a child, and that child is Jon.

    If it is true there is one person who was with Eddard during that fighting that knows the secret too.  I can't remember his name right now.  

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    Perhaps Benjen Stark? (none / 0) (#158)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue May 20, 2014 at 10:14:25 AM EST
    Who is suspected of being the king of the snow zombies?  That would make my theory that Jon is a bridge.  And that all threads are converging on him and Dany more possible.

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    I know something about Jon (5.00 / 1) (#161)
    by Militarytracy on Tue May 20, 2014 at 10:32:20 AM EST
    But it hasn't happened yet so I can't be a spoiler, spoilers suck.  One of our friends tried to get me to tell her if Arya was really going to kill the Hound as previews seemed to show.  I told her that she really didn't want me to tell her, but I will say that Arya becomes a great killer.

    I will say that based on something I know that will come up in the future, you have good instincts.

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    My gut tells me she will not. (none / 0) (#164)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue May 20, 2014 at 10:41:30 AM EST
    His character arc is very interesting.

    Help me out defending Tyrion below.

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    It wasn't Benjen with Ned though (none / 0) (#163)
    by Militarytracy on Tue May 20, 2014 at 10:40:07 AM EST
    When they finally found Ned's sister.  It was one of those thousands of lords and ladies loyal to this house or that house, he was a close friend of Ned's in that respect.  There are so many it gets impossible to keep up.

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    HA previously tv (none / 0) (#68)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon May 19, 2014 at 09:49:29 AM EST
    "That's perverse.  I better deal with it as soon as I finish breast feeding my teenage son"

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    Now now Capt (none / 0) (#4)
    by Militarytracy on Sun May 18, 2014 at 09:22:31 PM EST
    They have returned to the book :). Oberyn isn't the unexpected person who assists Tyrion :)

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    I don't understand (none / 0) (#5)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun May 18, 2014 at 09:28:34 PM EST
    He Is fighting for him right?  They showed the fight in the trailer for next week

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    Oberyn is doing this for his own reasons (none / 0) (#7)
    by Militarytracy on Sun May 18, 2014 at 09:35:24 PM EST
    It is his opportunity to begin the revenge he has waited so long for.  He has announced goals of killing Tywin too, but the Mountain is a great place to start.


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    So he is the unexpected person who assists Tyrion. (none / 0) (#8)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun May 18, 2014 at 09:39:29 PM EST
    He will fight as his champion.  Which is what I said.

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    I still think Varys is going to help him in some (5.00 / 1) (#40)
    by ruffian on Mon May 19, 2014 at 06:53:02 AM EST
    way. He was obviously not going to be the champion or go against Tywin in any public way, but if the trial by combat turns into chaos he could help Tyrion get away? Because there still is no good end game for Tyrion in staying around King's Landing and please please please do not send him to that stupid wall!

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    Of course, Stannis and his bevy of crazy women (5.00 / 1) (#43)
    by ruffian on Mon May 19, 2014 at 07:04:07 AM EST
    are on their way to shake things up...what could go wrong?

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    If he loses does he help Tyrion? (none / 0) (#10)
    by Militarytracy on Sun May 18, 2014 at 09:43:58 PM EST
    Well (none / 0) (#11)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun May 18, 2014 at 09:50:10 PM EST
    I never said I knew who would win.  What I said was he would fight as his champion.  While we and later ruffian and I were having that speculation session the other day I was furiously googling which is where I realized the titles were a giveaway to what I first thought would happen.

    Fwiw the googling continued, never stopped actually, and I know what happens now.  Which I will of course keep to myself.  Note, these are spoilers for the series and I have no idea if they follow the book.  But I know how the fight ends.

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    It looks to me like (none / 0) (#17)
    by Militarytracy on Sun May 18, 2014 at 10:02:04 PM EST
    This will go down by the book.  So far they have only made small deviations.  I think they should throw a couple of crazy twists from the book into the series.  Things that wouldn't really change the course overall.  They should do it for fun, and to keep everyone awake, and more entertained.

    I have developed my ending theory, I just don't know who the key players will be.  Oh heck, I don't even know if my theory means anything at all.  But it has cool factor.

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    Well one theory is as good as another (none / 0) (#21)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun May 18, 2014 at 10:13:03 PM EST
    As far as an ending.  Probably Martin doesn't even know.  He's off someplace furiously writing it right now probably.

    I did read an interesting theory about the snow zombies the other day---

    But as soon as I saw the baby in that rider's arms, I wondered: What ever did happen to Benjen Stark, younger brother of Ned, uncle of Jon Snow, and missing first Ranger of the Night's Watch? I'm not saying Benjen has turned into the king of the zombies. But I'm not saying he hasn't, either.


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    Okay...here's my craziness (5.00 / 1) (#27)
    by Militarytracy on Sun May 18, 2014 at 10:34:08 PM EST
    Remember that the Targaryen's motto is fire and blood?  And that it is rumored that sometimes they would have deformed miscarriages that resembled something between human and dragon?  When they took over the Seven Kingdoms they wed their sons and daughters to keep bloodlines pure.  But that's bad genetics.

    Each generation of dragons born became smaller and smaller and more deformed too until they were sterile and they died out.  Because the Targaren's were literally dying out too.  50% of their children were said to be crazy/ insane.

    Rhaegar Targaryen was a manwhore though :). And three healthy dragons have been born.  Only Targaryen blood can team up with a dragon for war.  So when the white walkers come.........

    The Baretheon boys all had Targaryen blood too as long as who they thought their parents were really were.  Stannis' children have been miscarried deformed, his daughter has gray scales like the old healer woman who killed Drago said Dany's baby was covered in too.  The real clinch?  Cersei's children would have had some Targaryen blood IF they had been Roberts.

    And that's my crazy thinkIn so far :)

    And you can kill a white walker with dragon glass too, obsidian.  But you need lava, or a dragon to make it.
    Maybe dragon fire will kill those demon half alive white walkers...probably not :). That probably takes something crazier.

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    I have been thinking from the start that the (none / 0) (#29)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun May 18, 2014 at 10:40:14 PM EST
    Obvious thing would be for the dragons to save everyone from the ice walkers.  Song of Fire and Ice.
    But maybe that to obvious.

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    Well they're dragons, I don't think they care to (none / 0) (#32)
    by Militarytracy on Sun May 18, 2014 at 10:50:30 PM EST
    Save anyone. They are feral creatures who for some reason can only be controlled by a Targaryen.

    What will Bran Stark do with his warg self?  That's gotta be part of the war too.

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    Right so Blondie (none / 0) (#33)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun May 18, 2014 at 11:01:32 PM EST
    Would actually do the saving.  And Bran, yes.  Where is that going.  I still think John Snow is going to have a large role in whatever happens.  Remember my old theory they he and Blondie would team up to fight the walkers.

    Ah speculation.  Entertainment fore play.

    Switching gears, I thought Tyrions performance tonight sews up the Emmy for dramatic acting 2014.  The scene where Oberyn was telling him about their first meeting made a big lump in my throat.

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    Oh, me too. And his look of hero worship at (5.00 / 1) (#42)
    by ruffian on Mon May 19, 2014 at 07:01:16 AM EST
    the end of the scene too. Dinklage has had to do a lot of non-verbal acting this season, both at the purple wedding, then stuck in that dungeon without a lot to say for himself and reacting to whatever comes in the door. Always perfectly done.

    Jon Snow knows nothing about tunnels...or so he was told...that is going to be interesting.

    I don't see a Snow-Blondie connection coming for a while...can they hold out and wait for the dragons to save them? I don't think so. Can we just get Mace Rayder (more importantly Ciaran Hinds) into this show already? Gees!

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    And sorry, it was Rhaegar Targaryen's (5.00 / 1) (#51)
    by Militarytracy on Mon May 19, 2014 at 09:01:16 AM EST
    Father who had the hots for Tyrion's mom.  Both Rhaegar and Tyrion spent their childhoods entranced by study though.  Both were obsessive bookworms which makes me think they could be half brothers.  You know, because bookworms always have the same father :)

    But Tyrion is so cool, you know he can ride a dragon.

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    I'm sure someone has put a family tree on the web (none / 0) (#54)
    by ruffian on Mon May 19, 2014 at 09:07:16 AM EST
    someplace! Will have to look it up tonight.

    You are tempting me to read the books...I have not really wanted to, but all the back stories would be really interesting.

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    This (none / 0) (#57)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon May 19, 2014 at 09:12:21 AM EST
    is a pretty good one

    But there are louts of them

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    This site has much better family trees (none / 0) (#73)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon May 19, 2014 at 10:37:18 AM EST
    Will Mance end up fighting (none / 0) (#48)
    by Militarytracy on Mon May 19, 2014 at 08:55:37 AM EST
    For the Southern side of the wall?  How can he not eventually?

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    I don't know - you are so much better (5.00 / 1) (#50)
    by ruffian on Mon May 19, 2014 at 09:01:03 AM EST
    at keeping all of that straight. I react more to the action in the moment than the big scheme of things. And I want Ciaran Hinds on screen again!!!

    Thanks for all the background info on Baratheons, dragons and Targareons. It does help!

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    I can't keep the Targaryen's straight (none / 0) (#52)
    by Militarytracy on Mon May 19, 2014 at 09:02:16 AM EST
    Great camera work and lighting (none / 0) (#55)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon May 19, 2014 at 09:08:58 AM EST
    In that concpversation scene.

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    Dany can fight with one dragon (none / 0) (#35)
    by Militarytracy on Sun May 18, 2014 at 11:14:23 PM EST
    She needs two other Targaryen's if all three dragons make it to the end.

    Gendry?  Stannis' daughter?

    And who has questionable paternity in the books..well everyone because Westros cheats like family values Republicans....but in the television series

    Jon Snow

    And in the books Tyrion's paternity is questioned too and they have kind of hinted in the television series that Tywin has at the very least a lack of paternalness toward Tyrion.   Rhaegar Targaryen had the hots for Tywin's wife though.

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    Will Dany even make it to war though? (none / 0) (#36)
    by Militarytracy on Sun May 18, 2014 at 11:16:29 PM EST
    I don't know that they must have Dany to use the dragons.  

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    I think she will be around (none / 0) (#38)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun May 18, 2014 at 11:56:18 PM EST
    Based on this --

    Martin attributed the delay mainly to his untangling "the Meereenese knot", which the interviewer understood as "making the chronology and characters mesh up as various threads converged on [Daenerys]"

    I can't imagine killing her off or otherwise losing the best character but as we know valar morghulis.  And women too I assume.

    The needing a Targ for each dragon is interesting, I guess, book information.  I should start reading them.  

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    Hmmmm, he considers her his best (5.00 / 1) (#44)
    by Militarytracy on Mon May 19, 2014 at 07:17:25 AM EST
    Character, but she is very on the outskirts in the books.  Really boring other than trying to free enslaved people, low interaction factor, I suppose more spiritually pure?  So her life will get more interesting as she meets up with those who may consider her an equal.  She is his hero though..hmmm

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    Cool (none / 0) (#37)
    by ZtoA on Sun May 18, 2014 at 11:33:47 PM EST
    Didn't know baratheons had targ blood. Can you elaborate ? I like your theories.  I can't watch tonite. Traveling. Can't wait to watch tomorrow!

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    Rhaelle Targaryen (none / 0) (#46)
    by Militarytracy on Mon May 19, 2014 at 08:06:04 AM EST
    Is supposed to be Robert, Stannis, and Renly's grandmother.  She was married to a Lord Baratheon and had a son Steffon Baratheon who is the father of the three boys.  So Dany is Stannis' first cousin

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    Two other things (none / 0) (#6)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun May 18, 2014 at 09:30:23 PM EST
    Is it me or does Sansa get more beautiful every week?

    And I am loving Penny Dreadful

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    She really does, but I was notching last night (5.00 / 1) (#41)
    by ruffian on Mon May 19, 2014 at 06:54:16 AM EST
    that the red hair looked just a little too fake. Tone it down a notch, wig-maker!

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    I watched a tiny bit of last week but fell asleep (none / 0) (#9)
    by Militarytracy on Sun May 18, 2014 at 09:43:15 PM EST
    Josh has been so busy wrapping school up he has forgotten.  The High School percussion section offered the Jr High kids the opportunity to start practicing with them this summer and Josh went for it.  The Jr High kid so far, but they ask for a lot of practice and he is very inspired by them.

    I won't miss Lysa, she was so bat$hit I thought she surely had to be a secret Targaryen bastard.

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    Also a departure from the book right (none / 0) (#13)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun May 18, 2014 at 09:52:26 PM EST
    Didn't she meet a different fate in the book?  From what I read I like this one more.  I hope junior is next.

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    It didn't go down through the moon thing (none / 0) (#20)
    by Militarytracy on Sun May 18, 2014 at 10:12:02 PM EST
    But very similar.  Finger needs her son though to maintain his need to remain running the Vale.

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    To bad (5.00 / 2) (#23)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun May 18, 2014 at 10:16:50 PM EST
    But his days of kicking over other peoples snow castles are over in any case.

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    Why did Shea (none / 0) (#12)
    by ZtoA on Sun May 18, 2014 at 09:51:54 PM EST
    Betray Tyrion?

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    Good question (none / 0) (#14)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun May 18, 2014 at 09:53:04 PM EST
    Spite I'm guessing.  I never trusted her.

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    Of course it could be something else (none / 0) (#15)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun May 18, 2014 at 09:54:02 PM EST
    I'm goin with spite.  And maybe some money as a kicker.

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    It's been a little while ... (none / 0) (#18)
    by Yman on Sun May 18, 2014 at 10:07:21 PM EST
    ... since I read the book, but I don't think they ever really explained her motives.  I think she was offered a house/good marriage by either Tywin or Cersei, but I don't think it was ever clear whether she did it for the $ or because of fear for her life.

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    I wonder if she was (none / 0) (#19)
    by ZtoA on Sun May 18, 2014 at 10:11:17 PM EST
    Always in Tywin's employ.

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    Or Varys's (none / 0) (#22)
    by ZtoA on Sun May 18, 2014 at 10:15:01 PM EST
    Hadn't even thought of that (5.00 / 1) (#26)
    by Yman on Sun May 18, 2014 at 10:32:30 PM EST
    But, if nothing else, this series will make you suspicious/cynical/paranoid/etc.

    I'm thinking she had genuine feelings for Tyrion - maybe even loved him - but saw the writing on the wall and decided to save herself out of fear for her own life.

    But who knows ...

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    Tywin had ordered that (none / 0) (#30)
    by ZtoA on Sun May 18, 2014 at 10:42:00 PM EST
    She be brought to his chambers at the purple wedding. That could have been the start of their relationship. He forced her to betray Tyrion. But her betrayal seems unusually personal.

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    Tyrion was very cruel to her (5.00 / 1) (#31)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun May 18, 2014 at 10:50:00 PM EST
    But of course he was doing it for her own good.  Still if she really did care for him his last conversation with her might have made anyone a little spiteful even assuming she had real feelings for him.  Especially if she had real feelings for him.  It would have been easy on her place to take everything he said at face value.  You are a whore you can't have my children I have a wife get lost.

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    True (none / 0) (#84)
    by Yman on Mon May 19, 2014 at 01:14:20 PM EST
    I guess I just thought he was pretty transparent when he was doing that.  Then again, I'd already read the books, so maybe I was just looking at it with the advantage of hindsight.

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    Maybe he was cruel to her in order (none / 0) (#139)
    by ZtoA on Tue May 20, 2014 at 12:26:10 AM EST
    to get her out of KL, but not otherwise. He was not interested in her as a person beyond what she could do for and with him. Just like Bron. They sacrificed for him, but he, with his privilege, did not do the same for them. His love of her was so very conditional. They might have both had "feelings" but in the wash it was not very deep. They are both very much in the game and they are not in the same levels of the game and they both know it.

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    I completely disagree (5.00 / 1) (#147)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue May 20, 2014 at 09:22:46 AM EST
    I think he had very deep feelings for her.  He never wanted to marry Sansa.  He was truly worried for her safety, as he should have been.  In their final scene IMO thongs he said were more painful for him even than her.  He was desperate to get her to leave and he had done everything else in his power to do that. .  As for Bron I think he was totally honest and realistic when they shook hands and when Bron refused to fight for him.  I believe as he often says he is a realist.   But he is good.  Lecherous and hedonistic and cunning.   But good.

    Just MO.

     

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    I think both you and Yman are right (5.00 / 1) (#170)
    by Militarytracy on Tue May 20, 2014 at 10:55:44 AM EST
    She wanted Tyrion to dump his family obligations and go elsewhere out of Tywin's sight and mind, which as the resented frowned upon Lannister son he probably could have gotten away with and still lived in luxury.  But he refused, he chose obligation over a life of only their love several times with her.  I felt for her because I have one of those men of obligations.  They aren't always the easiest dudes to deal with.

    But I think they cared deeply for her each other and her testimony was a mixture of trying to stay alive and some hurt  thrown in.

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    I was actually responding to ZtoA (none / 0) (#174)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue May 20, 2014 at 11:11:38 AM EST
    But IMO expecting him to not only give up his birth right but allow his hated fath and sister to get everything they ever wanted was an unreasonable expectation.  Ask your self, as he might have, if any royal person who was not a dwarf would have ever been expected by anyone to do such a thing.  I think she was selfish and unreasonable.  Love often has that effect on people.

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    Well I insisted once that my husband (5.00 / 1) (#177)
    by Militarytracy on Tue May 20, 2014 at 11:19:52 AM EST
    Refuse to deploy to Iraq.  What a great fight that was.  He allowed me to have my feelings all along the way, but when the chips were down it would have destroyed his heart and soul, landed him in jail, blown up his life and mine too.

    He said to me," You don't want me to leave the kids either.  All those kids who signed up after 9/11.  Everyone with years of training who can get out is running away and ditching them."

    The heart wants what it wants though, in real life and good books :)

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    Yes, that is my take too (5.00 / 1) (#193)
    by ruffian on Tue May 20, 2014 at 11:55:53 AM EST
    I think Tyrion was sincerely trying to protect her after seeing what had happened to the red-headed prostitute. Tactical error on his part, persuading her to leave by insulting her and showing no feeling for her - he should have had her kidnapped or something. Ah, hindsight!

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    She always seemed strangely (none / 0) (#24)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun May 18, 2014 at 10:18:27 PM EST
    Confident of her own safety didn't she.   But I don't think Varys.  Remember he tried to pay her to leave.

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    True but (none / 0) (#25)
    by ZtoA on Sun May 18, 2014 at 10:30:15 PM EST
    Tywin basically dared Tyrion to bring her to KL and Varys knows everything and recruits new little birds.

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    Also (none / 0) (#28)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun May 18, 2014 at 10:34:33 PM EST
    I read that since the series has basically caught up with the published story that they included some of the next book in season 4 so there may be surprises.

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    This senate race (none / 0) (#2)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun May 18, 2014 at 09:01:36 PM EST
    on the GOP side here in GA is giving me a headache. There are so many candidates running that the sides of the road are literally packed with signs and a lot of them are screaming literally crazy phrases. Phil Gingrey has a sign that says Phil Gingrey for Senate--Eliminate Obamacare---Save America!!! As if people being able to get insurance is going to end the country? Truly if you ever wanted to get a good look at what an apocalyptic cult is come down or over to Georgia and look at these Republicans.

    Nunn is going to win (none / 0) (#3)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun May 18, 2014 at 09:06:22 PM EST
    I have foreseen it

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    The Daily Caller's Tucker Carlson: (none / 0) (#16)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sun May 18, 2014 at 09:59:36 PM EST
    It's long been public knowledge that he's from a privileged background, and there's nothing wrong with that. After all, you can't choose your parents.

    But what frosts me about the guy is that, just like the Koch brothers and their ilk, he willfully deludes himself into believing that somehow, he's on third base because he hit a triple.

    Nuf ced. Aloha.

    But, according to Tucker's (5.00 / 1) (#80)
    by KeysDan on Mon May 19, 2014 at 12:45:56 PM EST
    lights, even the poor are privileged because they are fat.

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    Vile (none / 0) (#34)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun May 18, 2014 at 11:06:45 PM EST
    Absolutely vile.

    Eat the rich.

    It's not just a slogan.   It's a solution.

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    Ah, yes! (5.00 / 1) (#39)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon May 19, 2014 at 05:06:27 AM EST
    "Republicans: The Other White Meat."

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    Yeah (5.00 / 3) (#66)
    by lentinel on Mon May 19, 2014 at 09:45:52 AM EST
    True.

    White meat.

    Feh.

    Howevah...

    Monsieur Obama has nominated one Michael Boggs to serve on the Federal Bench.

    Among Mr. Boggs many qualifications for the job are his votes to pass a constitutional amendment banning same-sex marriage, to keep the Confederate insignia on the Georgia state flag and to require doctors who perform abortions to post online their names and the number of abortions they performed.

    I'm glad that this is a "left" site.
    If it were a "democrat" site, I wouldn't be here.
    (That might suit a number of people, I realize.)

    In sum - dems can be just as white meat as republicans.
    If we are issue oriented, that becomes more and more apparent.

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    Clearly it's not black and white (none / 0) (#72)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon May 19, 2014 at 10:21:34 AM EST
    So to speak

    WASHINGTON -- President Barack Obama's nomination of Michael Boggs to serve on the federal bench is causing members of the Congressional Black Caucus to turn on each other and sparking rare criticism of Rep. John Lewis (D-Ga.), a revered civil rights icon.

    Rep. David Scott (D-Ga.) unleashed on Lewis on Sunday night after Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) indicated earlier in the day that she spoke to Lewis and he signaled support for Boggs' inclusion in a package deal of judicial nominees that Obama agreed to with Georgia's Republican senators. A former Georgia state legislator, Boggs has come under fire from progressive groups over his votes to pass a constitutional amendment banning same-sex marriage, to keep the Confederate insignia on the Georgia state flag and to require doctors who perform abortions to post online their names and the number of abortions they performed.

    "John Lewis has betrayed Georgia if this is his new position," Scott told The Huffington Post in a statement. "He is speaking for the White House and not women, African-Americans or gays with this new position, and he has turned his back on his own supporters."
    ----
    In the meantime, key senators have said their final decision on Boggs will be shaped by private conversations they have with Lewis. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.), Senate Majority Whip Dick Durbin (D-Ill.) and Feinstein are among them, though Reid has already said flatly that he opposes Boggs and hinted that he may not even let him get a floor vote. Durbin and Feinstein have also raised concerns with him.

    I have no idea what else they may be trying to achieve but I trust John Lewis.

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    I don't (5.00 / 1) (#76)
    by lentinel on Mon May 19, 2014 at 11:52:49 AM EST
    trust NOBODY!

    Including a guy with a record like that in some kind of deal is the kind of politics with which I do not identify.

    Maybe that's all the kind of politics we have.

    But "trust"?

    Huh uh.

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    Voting Record (none / 0) (#79)
    by squeaky on Mon May 19, 2014 at 12:30:22 PM EST
    Lewis is a beloved figure on the Hill, regarded highly by Democrats and Republicans alike and well respected on civil-rights issues. Lewis was beaten and suffered injuries during the 1965 march from Selma to Montgomery, Ala., on what became known as "Bloody Sunday." He was a leader in the movement during its height, serving as chairman the Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee and delivering a speech at the 1963 March on Washington.

    The Georgia Democrat still plays an active role on civil-rights and racial matters on the Hill. He's leading the push to pass a rewrite of a portion of the Voting Rights Act that the Supreme Court struck down last year. High-ranking Republicans, such as Majority Leader Eric Cantor, have lately been emphasizing their relationships with Lewis.

    Lewis, along with other members of the Congressional Black Caucus, quickly voiced opposition to Boggs's nomination when Obama made it in December. Lewis and others held a press conference to denounce the nomination at the Atlanta church where Martin Luther King Jr. once presided, and called on Obama to withdraw the nomination.

    link

    As CaotHowdy pointed out Lewis has apparently changed his mind about the ticket..

    Also Boggs has disavowed the controversial votes he cast in 2001-4.

    A controversial Georgia judicial nominee disavowed his state legislature votes on the Confederate flag and naming abortion doctors at a Senate Judiciary hearing Tuesday, but his confirmation remains in doubt as he faces fire from an array of liberal groups.

    "I think he answered the questions forthrightly," said Senate Majority Whip Richard J. Durbin a veteran member of the committee.

    regarding the politics, which appears to be paramount in breaking a stalled process:

    The Boggs pick was part of a larger deal between the White House and the two Georgia senators in order to get more important, higher-level circuit court judges confirmed in the state.

    link

    Lewis is looking at the larger picture here, and has bigger fish to fry. My guess is that this compromise will pass and Lewis will gain political points where he needs them.

    Reid, Scott, et al., are doing what Boggs did while a state congressperson, representing their respective constituencies.

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    Statement of Rep. Lewis, today: (5.00 / 2) (#88)
    by Anne on Mon May 19, 2014 at 01:58:39 PM EST
    Link (bold is mine)

    "I have fought long and hard and even put my life on the line for the cause of equal rights and social justice. My commitment to these ideals has never changed, and my record is solid and unwavering. I take a back-seat to no one and have been at the forefront for decades in defense of the right to marry, a women's right to choose, and the imperative of non-violence as a means of dissent. I have worked tirelessly to rid Georgia, the South, and this nation from the stain of racial discrimination in any form, including the display of Confederate emblems in the Georgia state flag. I am not about to change that position now.

    "I have tried to refrain from making public statements out of respect for my colleagues and the Senate process. I believe it is important to allow each candidate to be evaluated according to his or her own merits and to allow the Senate judicial nomination process to take its course. This willingness to permit due process is all that I have indicated in any conversation I may have had with my colleagues. I did not at any time indicate my support for the Boggs nomination or say that he had the backing of the African American community in Georgia.

    "Based on the evidence revealed during this hearing, I do not support the confirmation of Michael Boggs to the federal bench. His record is in direct opposition to everything I have stood for during my career, and his misrepresentation of that record to the committee is even more troubling. The testimony suggests Boggs may allow his personal political leanings to influence his impartiality on the bench. I do not have a vote in the Senate, but if I did I would vote against the confirmation of Michael Boggs."

    This makes more sense to me than Lewis going along with the Boggs nomination, Boggs' disavowals notwithstanding.

    The "larger picture" as I see it, is that these are lifetime appointments, with too much at stake to barter away.  Yes, I know there are too many vacancies on the bench and that the GOP has been relentlessly obstructive about granting Obama the prerogative of making the choices his election should have granted him.  But I think that with as much at stake as there is, it makes no sense to preemptively give the GOP the gift of a lifetime conservative appointment. You can be dead sure that, if the roles were reversed - and that would be quite a stretch of the imagination, since Dems don't ever seem to make life this difficult for Republican presidents - a Republican president would not be having this much trouble seating judges.

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    Di-Fi (5.00 / 1) (#90)
    by jbindc on Mon May 19, 2014 at 02:29:20 PM EST
    Might want to get on the same page.

    Else John Lewis is saying one thing in private and saying another thing in public....

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    Lewis's Democratic colleague, (none / 0) (#103)
    by KeysDan on Mon May 19, 2014 at 05:55:46 PM EST
    Congressman David Scott, representing the 13th District--the southern l/4 of Atlanta and southern Atlanta suburbs--, apparently turned up the heat.  According to Scott, "He (Lewis) is speaking for the White House and not women, African Americans or gays with his new position."   Scott was said to be thrilled with Lewis' "clarification."

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    An interesting (none / 0) (#105)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon May 19, 2014 at 06:00:11 PM EST
    Day in the life of everyone involved I'm sure.
    I was a bit surprised by Lewis's support but was willing to defer.    I'm sure many oths would have as well.

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    Pols. (5.00 / 2) (#93)
    by lentinel on Mon May 19, 2014 at 03:12:16 PM EST
    "I have tried to refrain from making public statements out of respect for my colleagues and the Senate process."

    Really?

    He had remained silent on Boggs out of respect for his colleagues and the "Senate process"?

    What about a little respect for us?

    I prefer someone to speak out against cretins proposed for the federal bench instead of genuflecting to "colleagues" and "the Senate process."

    How in the world does expressing revulsion or opposition to a nominee, based on his or her record, interfere with the Senate judicial nomination process?

    And, once again, what was Obama thinking -  nominating Boggs in the first place?


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    Interesting (none / 0) (#91)
    by squeaky on Mon May 19, 2014 at 02:45:08 PM EST
    From all reports, Lewis has the power to tank the Obama deal, and it sure looks like he is tanking it now.

    We will see how it plays out.

    Think progress reported that the blue slip protocol, was once ignored by Hatch, and now Leahy has the power to ignore the practice, and it does seem complex. Nothing I have read supports think progress' opinion, but it would be great to see Leahy flip the bird to the Georgia Senators who have been blocking the appointment of Jill A Prior for over two years.

    Prior's position would be a higher position then Boggs, she has been nominated to the court of appeals 11th district. Boggs to the Northern district court in GA.

    On February 16, 2012, President Obama nominated Pryor to be Circuit Judge of the United States Court of Appeals for the Eleventh Circuit. She would replace Judge Stanley F. Birch, Jr. who retired in 2010. Her nomination is currently pending before the Senate Judiciary Committee.[4] Both Georgia's United States senators have refused to return the "blue slips" on her effectively blocking her nomination. On January 2, 2013, her nomination was returned to the President, due to the sine die adjournment of the Senate.

    On January 3, 2013, she was renominated to the same office. Her nomination is currently pending before the Senate Judiciary Committee.[5] She will receive a hearing before the full panel of the United States Senate Judiciary Committee on May 13, 2014 at 9:30AM.[6]

    according to find law, the deal was rumored last september and, sealed in december 2013. I guess we will see how much power Lewis to quash the deal.

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    Do (none / 0) (#86)
    by lentinel on Mon May 19, 2014 at 01:46:14 PM EST
    you honestly believe that Lewis is "beloved" and "highly regarded" by Republicans on the Hill?

    Is there a poll taken asking representatives and senators about those members they find "beloved"? Is there a poll circulating among republicans about which members of the opposition party they regard highly?

    'Tis a crock.

    Please.

    Politics as usual.

    No more. No less.

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    Yes (none / 0) (#89)
    by squeaky on Mon May 19, 2014 at 02:24:21 PM EST
    Lewis is beloved by his constituency, not sure why you would decide to interpret the Hill quote to mean that Lewis is Beloved by Republicans, except to fight.

    It seems clear to me that the Hill article points out that Lewis has political power to the extent that:

    High-ranking Republicans, such as Majority Leader Eric Cantor, have lately been emphasizing their relationships with Lewis.

    But you can write the Hlll, and maybe you will have some takers to fight with.

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    You posted (none / 0) (#94)
    by lentinel on Mon May 19, 2014 at 03:15:42 PM EST
    this:

    Lewis is a beloved figure on the Hill, regarded highly by Democrats and Republicans alike.

    Maybe you should read what you post before posting.

    I asked you if you believe he is beloved by republicans - any republicans.

    I don't.

    And I sincerely believe that any assertion to the contrary is a crock.

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    Your Interpretation (none / 0) (#95)
    by squeaky on Mon May 19, 2014 at 03:26:38 PM EST
    Take it up with the Hill.

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    Anita? (none / 0) (#121)
    by lentinel on Mon May 19, 2014 at 07:29:10 PM EST
    Some Background on 11th Circuit Nominations (none / 0) (#74)
    by squeaky on Mon May 19, 2014 at 10:43:01 AM EST
    ...the White House takes issue with Scott's accusations, noting the Senate's unofficial "blue-slip" rule where a single senator can hold up judicial nominations.

    In order to fill six open seats on the federal court level, Obama agreed to include Boggs and Cohen.

    "The blue-slip rule for judicial nominees has been more problematic than the filibuster because it can act as a silent, unaccountable veto. But given this constraint, our choice is clear: do we work with Republican senators to find a compromise or should we leave the seats vacant? We believe it would be grossly irresponsible for the president to leave these seats vacant," White House spokesman Eric Schultz said.

    Link

    More:

    Carl Tobias, a University of Richmond law professor who tracks the judicial nominations, said the Obama administration needs to move more aggressively to fill vacancies. Of the country's 858 appeals and district court judgeships, 101 are unfilled, he said.
    "The Northern District of Georgia is one of the worst-case scenarios in the country," Tobias said

    It has not been easy to get nominations cleared by the Obama administration because Georgia has no senators who are members of the same political party as the president, Darden said last week.

    link

    Under the proposed deal, Sens. Saxby Chambliss (R-GA) and Johnny Isakson (R-GA) would agree to stop blocking attorney Jill Pryor's nomination to the United States Court of Appeals for the Eleventh Circuit -- a nomination that they have effectively held up for well over 1000 days. In return, Obama would nominate a George H.W. Bush-appointed judge -- Chief Judge Julie Carnes of the Northern District of Georgia -- to the other open seat on the Eleventh Circuit, creating a fourth vacancy on this federal trial court. Chambliss and Isakson would then be allowed to select three of the four attorneys named to these seats.

    Ultimately, if the White House agrees to this GOP-friendly bargain, it will likely be because of an absurd Senate practice that gives individual senators veto power over judicial nominees. Under the Senate's "blue slip" rules -- an anachronistic process that allows senators to veto nominees from their state -- the state of Georgia is allocated certain seats on the Eleventh Circuit and Chambliss and Isakson have unilateral authority to block any nominees to those seats. Moreover, they are also empowered to block any nominee to a district court in Georgia. Though this process is rooted in a patronage system that no longer exists, Senate Democrats insist upon maintaining it. This Georgia deal could be the result.

    link

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    Never give up on the gravy! (5.00 / 1) (#56)
    by ruffian on Mon May 19, 2014 at 09:12:07 AM EST
    We really should not be discussing anything while under the influence of Game of Thrones.

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    Speak for yourself! (none / 0) (#62)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon May 19, 2014 at 09:38:30 AM EST
    Personally, I've never watched GofT -- and after reading the comments in this thread, I don't think I want to start. It sounds addicting. What ever will you all do when the season ends and the program goes on hiatus?

    ;-D


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    IT ENDS ?!?!?! (none / 0) (#65)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon May 19, 2014 at 09:45:18 AM EST
    But seriously (none / 0) (#69)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon May 19, 2014 at 09:51:22 AM EST
    It is totally addicting.   I never saw the show till this year.   I think ruffian too is new to it this year.   It has hooks

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    Yes, you are correct sir (none / 0) (#77)
    by ruffian on Mon May 19, 2014 at 11:58:33 AM EST
    I have never had to go through a hiatus! I will have to find a way to cope -  after all I did the same with 'The Sopranos' back in the the olden days when you could not even get old episodes On Demand!

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    When did Tucker (none / 0) (#45)
    by Zorba on Mon May 19, 2014 at 07:41:59 AM EST
    ditch the bow tie?

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    Actually, quite a while ago. (none / 0) (#64)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon May 19, 2014 at 09:42:06 AM EST
    Now, he's into regular ties with power colors. Isn't that what makes him A Very Serious Person?

    ;-D

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    Shows you how often (none / 0) (#75)
    by Zorba on Mon May 19, 2014 at 11:28:48 AM EST
    I watch Fox News.  Which is to say, very, very seldom, and then only because a link on a blog led me there, as this one just did.    ;-)

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    We have a diesel vehicle (none / 0) (#47)
    by Militarytracy on Mon May 19, 2014 at 08:52:05 AM EST
    And it uses low sulfur diesel, but biodiesel is not available where I live and is also low sulfur.  I did find some biodiesel in Birmingham a few days ago though.  I thought our vehicle ran better on it, and it cost so much less.

    Mad Men was so good last night (none / 0) (#53)
    by ruffian on Mon May 19, 2014 at 09:03:08 AM EST
    Sometimes getting to that final scene of the episode is a bit of a confusing ride, but it was sooo worth it last night.

    I feel (none / 0) (#58)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon May 19, 2014 at 09:17:30 AM EST
    asleep but yes, it was an interesting episode, better than the rest of them because stuff really happened. LOL.

    I guess I will have to wait for tomorrow when it comes out on demand to see the whole episode.

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    haha - maybe that was why I liked it (none / 0) (#59)
    by ruffian on Mon May 19, 2014 at 09:23:07 AM EST
    Definite movement on several fronts.

    Yes, you must see the rest. I really loved the last 10 minutes or so.

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    Gonna (none / 0) (#63)
    by lentinel on Mon May 19, 2014 at 09:39:21 AM EST
    watch it tonight.

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    I was having trouble with Don's (none / 0) (#78)
    by ruffian on Mon May 19, 2014 at 12:06:16 PM EST
    multiple personality morphs. But over the weekend I read the story about Jon Hamm in VF (yes, there were some words in with the pictures) and he said that the key to it is that Don Draper is a character being continuously written and acted by Dick Whitman. I do tend to forget that angle as more than just a soap opera-ish plot line. Also adds to the irony of his sub-par actress wife.

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    It's easy to forget (none / 0) (#83)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon May 19, 2014 at 01:10:04 PM EST
    about Dick Whitman until one of Anna's relatives pops up or an old Army buddy etc.

    When I first started watching it I kept wondering what the deal was with Dick Whitman and what the heck the flashbacks were about until Betty found all that stuff in a drawer. Even Pete getting a hold of the shoebox full of pictures didn't quite give me the full picture of what was going on.

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    New Mountain this week (none / 0) (#92)
    by ragebot on Mon May 19, 2014 at 02:50:35 PM EST
    after new Daario Nahari this season.  Quite frankly I liked last seasons Daario better.

    I don't like either season's Daario (none / 0) (#96)
    by ruffian on Mon May 19, 2014 at 03:42:08 PM EST
    and I do think I would like the character with the right actor.

    I didn't catch that there is a new Mountain. I hope he is not around long enough for me to care that the actor is doing a good job!

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    Hard to respond (5.00 / 1) (#98)
    by ragebot on Mon May 19, 2014 at 03:46:36 PM EST
    to your comment about the Mountain without a spoiler disclaimer.  If your google kung fu is good you already know the answer, but I am not going to confirm anything.

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    thank you, no spoilers please! (none / 0) (#125)
    by ruffian on Mon May 19, 2014 at 09:01:42 PM EST
    I am just hoping for a good outcome for Tyrion -  don't want to know how it will actually play out.

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    Guess Dani and I (none / 0) (#106)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon May 19, 2014 at 06:17:25 PM EST
    Are the only ones who like the new Daario.  I loved the hookup scene last night.

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    Dani sure likes him better (none / 0) (#112)
    by ragebot on Mon May 19, 2014 at 06:42:43 PM EST
    but since Dani is a babe I thought last season's Daario was more in her class than this seasons.  But I am a guy and have never understood how women select the guys they go out with.

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    Ha (5.00 / 1) (#117)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon May 19, 2014 at 07:08:57 PM EST
    Well I'm a gay guy and last night all could think was "it's nice to be the Queen"

    Do what you do best. Take off your clothes


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    Oh and totally disagree about the last one (none / 0) (#118)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon May 19, 2014 at 07:10:19 PM EST
    Sorry one more (none / 0) (#119)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon May 19, 2014 at 07:13:09 PM EST
    She is a total babe.  I would have been happy to be a third.

    She (the actor) is also Sara Conner in the new Terminator movie.  I think she is perfect for it.

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    I look at him and still see the addict from Treme (none / 0) (#127)
    by ruffian on Mon May 19, 2014 at 09:05:48 PM EST
    He is a good actor, and I thought I would like him more than I have ended up liking him. Can't shake his other character though.

    Why didn't we get to see a little of the sexy time? we have seen rape as background action in other episodes, not to mention the main scene...but we can't see Khaleesi have some fun?

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    Yeah (none / 0) (#128)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon May 19, 2014 at 09:15:02 PM EST
    That was disappointing.  Oh well, we will always have Jason Momoa on the DVR.

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    And I never saw Treme (none / 0) (#129)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon May 19, 2014 at 09:16:06 PM EST
    Good choice, keep it that way! (none / 0) (#142)
    by ruffian on Tue May 20, 2014 at 06:29:42 AM EST
    Not really worth the time, except for the music,which you can listen to on records.

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    And Melissa Leo's voice (none / 0) (#143)
    by ruffian on Tue May 20, 2014 at 06:31:34 AM EST
    I could lister to her read the phone book. But you have to wade through a lot of Steve Zahn overacting to get to it.

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    Ugh (none / 0) (#102)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon May 19, 2014 at 04:56:29 PM EST
    voting is tomorrow here in GA. There is no Dem running in my district so I'm going to have to vote in the GOP primary. All the candidates are virtual nut cases.

    Some rare good news (none / 0) (#104)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon May 19, 2014 at 05:58:22 PM EST
    Brainghazi (none / 0) (#130)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon May 19, 2014 at 09:23:10 PM EST
    Is picking up steam I guess.  

    Hilarious.  The definition of desperate.

    Apocalypse (none / 0) (#141)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue May 20, 2014 at 06:03:07 AM EST
    Brain!

    What a bunch of idiots.

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    There is a SITE VIOLATOR (none / 0) (#131)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon May 19, 2014 at 10:20:16 PM EST
    hitting several threads
    Johnny Solace he calls himself.

    I like the name

    AN AXE LENGTH AWAY, vol. 357 (none / 0) (#160)
    by Dadler on Tue May 20, 2014 at 10:30:05 AM EST
    When we were young and evil. (link)

    v. 356
    v. 355
    v. 354
    v. 353

    Still decompressing from chaperone duty. One day, when word got out that Eli's dad was the exact opposite of the Tiger Mother chaperones, I had ten boys in my group. I was like the Pied Piper. With a very large headache. Searing heat, hour long lines, double-wide strollers, triple-wide humans. Hell on earth. Earth wearing Mickey ears, of course. Egad.

    A couple of yars ago (5.00 / 1) (#184)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue May 20, 2014 at 11:30:29 AM EST
    On one of my many road trips to LA from the Midwest I broke down in the middle of the desert in my 1974 RV/van.

    Fun times.

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    This thread is closed (none / 0) (#208)
    by Jeralyn on Tue May 20, 2014 at 02:11:04 PM EST
    A new one is up. Thanks.